Baldwin Digital Piano Manual
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Hi Everyone, Does anyone own or have had any experience with Baldwin digital pianos (e.g. The RP series)? I am thinking of purchasing one soon and wanted to try and get a little feedback before making the purchase. I went to a piano store and someone told me that Baldwin stopped making pianos a few months ago because another company took over. Can anyone else verify this? Also, has anyone ever ordered one of these digital pianos from the web? Can you say if this is a safe way to go or should we consider the local stores?
Any comments/feedback would be appreciated. CoasterCrazy26 Mark 05.07.04 11:51. To say Baldwin digital pianos are terrible is an insult to terrible. I wouldn't put one in my house if Baldwin payed me. The only reason those pianos still are in the new retail market is no one wanted to buy them. The RP came out when I was still selling pianos, and that was 7 years ago.
They haven't manufactured one since to my knowledge - they're still trying to get rid of the crap they built in the late 90's. For more of my ranting on the subject do a Google search of dzappa and pianovelle. 'CoasterCrazy26' wrote in message news:ccbvmg$1f88$1@f04n12.cac.psu.edu. CoasterCrazy26 06.07.04 9:05.
From: 'CoasterCrazy26' Are they really terrible? I have not been able to find any reviews on the Baldwin digital pianos anywhere. Could it be due to what you are saying? I thought the huge price drop was a little suspicious!
Baldwin didn't build any electronics themselves for several years before they went out of business. They had them built by various other manufacturers. The ones they sold the last several years were ones they had had in stock in the warehouse, nothing new was built. So any Baldwin digital that you find will be at least 2 or 3 years older than the year Baldwin went under. One way to determine when it was built - many of them will print out the year it was built in the readout screen right after you turn the unit on.
Larry Doing the work of 3 men - Larry, Curly, & Moe Caution: I do not brake for sales weasels Dave Andrews 06.07.04 11:16. From: 'CoasterCrazy26' Are they really terrible?
I have not been able to find any reviews on the Baldwin digital pianos anywhere. Could it be due to what you are saying? I thought the huge price drop was a little suspicious! If you can find an RP-100 or RP-200, these were not bad at all. Many folks didn't like them because the internal speakers were quite marginal - but if you take a good quality set of headphones with you to every store you go to and evaluate the instruments with the 'phones, it levels the playing field.
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Of course, if you intend to use the piano without an external system - or if replacing the internal speakers is out of the question for you - then by all means, make your decision based on the speakers that are inside. You will find that the RP-100 and RP-200 are electronically the equivalent of the GeneralMusic RealPiano Pro 1 and RealPianoPro 2 respectively - both of which were considered pretty decent.
The rest of the sounds and the ability to access them in a musically useful fashion are probably not among their stronger suits. To hear MP3 snippets of the GEM Pro2 (and a bunch of other stuff), go to and hit the link for the piano shoot-out. By the way, everything Larry posted is pretty much right on, although I'm not sure if you can access the date in the screen without entering some reset code.
But it's probably in there somewhere. They are definitely not a current product offering, but for the right price, an RP200 is not a bad little unit. Plus, you can use the internal amps to drive some Bose speakers which you can also retrofit in the space taken up by the 'speaker shaped objects' inside. Through their existing speakers, I'd rate the Pianovelles fairly low, but through a higher quality system, their quite good (piano only). With All Due Respect, Dave Andrews D. Andrews Associates Church Music System Specialists 'Two Hacks Working Out Of A Garage' Disclaimer: If there are two ways to take my words, always assume I was after the cheap laugh.
Dave Tempo 06.07.04 18:05. Hi Dave, It is a RP-200, but my wife and I are skeptical about it. It looks very nice, but we can't actually hear the real thing since it's on the web.
I checked out the GeneralMusic RealPiano Pro 2 sounds at the link that you mentioned and it sounded OK. The problem is this.these sounds are very dependent on how the person did the recording! Did you have personal experience with the RP200? The specs look nice (128 polyphony) but I'm not sure if weighted hammer action with escapement (being that this is an older model) is equivalent to the newer progressive hammer action keys. Are they the same? As far as the speakers, it's suppose to have a six speaker system and 2 70watt amps. Does it still sound bad?
That's not good engineering if so. Besides, I'm not worried about the sound.I can always shut off or change the built-in speakers as you mentioned. It's going for about $1700, is that good? Also, would you trust to order one of these from a web vendor? Let me know if you get a chance. CoasterCrazy26 'Dave Andrews' wrote in message news:1640.1200@mb-m03.aol.com.
Dave Andrews 08.07.04 19:22. In a message dated 7/8/2004 6:17:32 PM writes: Yes - I bought one for a former church of mine after a lot of direct experience as a 'hired gun' salesman for numerous major event sales with various Baldwin dealers around the east - always thought it was an exceptionally nice unit. I played it every week for a year and a half, and I still play it occasionally as a guest musician - probably again in two weeks. The rest of the sounds are decent enough (I liked Kurzweil orchestral sounds better than the Pianovelle orchestral sounds) but the Pianovelle/GeneralMusic Piano Pro piano voice is the best that I could find in that category about 3 or 4 years ago. I'm not up to speed on everything else currently, but I did pound on a few Yamahas recently (Motif, S90, P80 & P90), and as far as I'm concerned, there has been no major breakthrough for additional realism on the piano sound from what I remember getting out of the Pianovelle RP-200.
'Progressive Hammer Action Keys' and 'Weighted Hammer Action' are mostly marketing terms. The Pianovelle uses a similar gram weight to overcome key inertia as what you would ordinarily expect to find on a properly regulated grand piano of an average or medium feel. The simulation of the escapement helps to make it feel more like a 'real' grand action once inertia is overcome by inserting that slight 'hitch' or additional resistance as the key travels downward, but nobody makes one on a digital piano that feels exactly like the real thing other than the few companies that do happen to use the real thing without any hammers actually hitting physical strings. The Pianovelle RP200 is as good as anybody elses digital piano available regardless of the marketing name that they may use to describe it. The speakers inside do not do justice to the quality of sound that it is capable of generating.
If you play it through good headphones or a high quality speaker system, you will discover just how good the piano sound really is. That's lower than the original wholesale cost by a few hundred dollars. It's only a good price to you if it does what you want it to do as well as or better than whatever else you can find comparably at that price point. From what I know of the market (not that much as of the past couple years) I'd say that it's probably a good buy. But it's not my money, so you're the one that needs to make that assessment.
Depends on who the web vendor is and whether or not I had confidence in them. I would probably rather get one from somewhere that I could see it and likewise, in case of a problem, where I could have it serviced. But again, the real question is, what is your comfort level with online vendors? Good luck, Richard. With All Due Respect, Dave Andrews D. Andrews Associates Church Music System Specialists 'Two Hacks Working Out Of A Garage' Disclaimer: If there are two ways to take my words, always assume I was after the cheap laugh.
Mark 08.07.04 20:45. On 2004-07-05 12:29:44 -0400, 'CoasterCrazy26' said: Hi EveryoneDoes anyone own or have had any experience with Baldwin digital pianos (e.g.
the RP series)? I am thinking of purchasing one soon and wanted to try and get a little feedback before making the purchase. Snip Also, has anyone ever ordered one of these digital pianos from the web? Can you say if this is a safe way to go or should we consider the local stores? Any comments/feedback would be appreciated. CoasterCrazy26 I wouldn't buy it. A former Baldwin sales rep.
Shared his opinion that anything Baldwin made was that had an AC cord on it was.well let's just say he thought there were better products on the market. This guy btw has a Baldwin grand at home so he was not trashing Baldwins in general. Baldwin was/is primarily a piano company (or is it a guitar company). Anyway my understanding is that in recent years they farmed out and re-branded the electronics instruments. There are plenty of other makes of digital pianos on the market that sound better, play better, are currently shipping models with manufacturerers support.
Look at those. The major digital piano manufacturerers are: Kawai, Technics, Yamaha & Roland There are many other lesser known and often not as good digitals from Viscount, Solton, Casio, Kurzweil, etc.
I'd take a look at Technics, they're entry level models compare sound wise to many other companies higher end models. Kawai digital have gotten many awards and they are unique in that they have a full length wooden piano key in models a number of the midrange models. Try to compare the sound and touch to a regular piano, see which one is closest.
If you don't play bring along someone who does or ask (and offer to compensate) a teacher or musician to help you. Also evaluate what the service is like and how comfortable you are with the dealer selling it. Many dealers contract out the service work and there can be a long wait in some areas if the service company is understaffed.
Glenn Grafton Grafton Piano & Organ Co. 1-877-GRAFTON (877-472-3866) 1081 County Line Rd. Souderton PA 18964 (remove 'nospam' to reply) Dave Tempo 21.07.04 17:22.
Larryinatlanta@aol.composer (Larry) wrote: From: 'Dave Tempo' Speaking of which, it's my understanding that Technics no longer makes digital pianos. It can be legitimately argued that none of the other manufacturers mentioned make them either.
Baldwin Digital Piano User Manual
The term 'Digital Piano' is an oxymoron. With All Due Respect, Dave Andrews D. Andrews Associates Church Music System Specialists 'Two Hacks Working Out Of A Garage' Disclaimer: If there are two ways to take my words, always assume I was after the cheap laugh. RonGardini 21.07.04 20:18. Dwasound@aol.comnospam (Dave Andrews) wrote in message news.
larryinatlanta@aol.composer (Larry) wrote: From: 'Dave Tempo' Speaking of which, it's my understanding that Technics no longer makes digital pianos. True. It can be legitimately argued that none of the other manufacturers mentioned make them either. The term 'Digital Piano' is an oxymoron. - With All Due RespectDave Andrews D. Andrews Associates Church Music System Specialists Gees; Larry there is hope for you, I thought we were going to let the guy think Technics were still around.
Hey, Dave; Real world info; Last year digital pianos outsold acoustics by 3-1, (And that doesnt include, the ones sold in the big box stores) The typical American buyer, is out to replace even your church systems with a $1695. Time to look into taking on the Casio line for your biz, eh? My name is Glenn and I sell pianos 'Two Hacks Working Out Of A Garage' Disclaimer: If there are two ways to take my wordsalways assume I was after the cheap laugh. Larry 22.07.04 15:29.
Larryinatlanta@aol.composer (Larry) wrote: Toaster Oven Makers of the World Unite!!!! Don't forget Blender Makers. Technics has nothing on Oster.
My name is Glenn and I sell pianos My name is Larry and I don't. Yeah, but you used to, you capitalist pig. Larry The Wizard of Ahhhhs Dave, the Dolt of Dollywood.
Glenn doesn't realize that I know his brother, met his father Cal many years ago, and am well aware that his posts here on RMMP are rather transparent. Helpful advice steering pedestrians into his store. Not that there's anything wrong with that, it just amuses me that he believes this to be a worthwhile marketing endeavor. I think I'd be more inclined to do direct mail in a close radius. With All Due Respect, Dave Andrews D. Andrews Associates Church Music System Specialists 'Two Hacks Working Out Of A Garage' Disclaimer: If there are two ways to take my words, always assume I was after the cheap laugh. Mizz Marcia Ryder 22.07.04 18:21.
'Glenn Grafton' wrote: On 2004-07-05 12:29:44 -0400, 'CoasterCrazy26' said: Hi EveryoneDoes anyone own or have had any experience with Baldwin digital pianos (e.g. the RP series)? I am thinking of purchasing one soon and wanted to try and get a little feedback before making the purchase. Snip They make digitals? The major digital piano manufacturerers are: Kawai, Technics, Yamaha & Roland What is Korg? A boat anchor? There are many other lesser known and often not as good digitals from Viscount, Solton, Casio, Kurzweil, etc.
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Hmmm, perhaps Kurzweil is lesser known but I'd hardly call it 'not as good'. Marsha Tony Elka 22.07.04 20:31. Dave, the Dolt of Dollywood. Glenn doesn't realize that I know his brother, met his father Cal many years ago, and am well aware that his posts here on RMMP are rather transparent. Helpful advice steering pedestrians into his store.
Not that there's anything wrong with that, it just amuses me that he believes this to be a worthwhile marketing endeavor. I think I'd be more inclined to do direct mail in a close radius. Well glad to know that you know some of us here. As far as being transparent I don't think that's really the case. I actually got involved here on this group a number of years ago at the suggestion of a customer.
He was an engineer at Lucent and was using this group to try to get more up to speed on pianos. He visited here and had a lot of questions that he felt that I had answered for him well. He suggested that I take a look at this group and contribute as he felt that my input might help others. I started working here in grade school about 36 years ago. As I gew up in the business I learned how to do burn-ins, refinishing, deliveries and repairs all before I was in high school.
In college I did work for a number of piano stores in the Hollywood - Ft. Lauderdale area. After college I worked in the shop here at the store for a number of years restoring, rebuilding and refinishing pianos. When I was in my early 20's I moved into sales. Over the years I've been asked for input by some of the major manufacturerers on product development. I spent an entire day with the Japanese liason for Yamaha here in our store back around 1980.
In reply to his question about what products Yamaha should be making that they aren't I outlined that Yamaha should build a piano instrument using digital tone generation but be housed in a furniture style cabinet with built in speakers. No one was making a digital piano like that then and I told him that Yamaha would probably sell a few of them if they came out with a product like that: ). About a year or so after that Yamaha came out with the first Clavinova. I still have a hand in the service end just tuned a Petrof grand yesterday and a repaired the moulding on a console lid this morning that broke.
I've sold and shipped pianos around the world, gotten 9' concert grands in windows and figured out how to get 4 manual church organs up in choir lofts. So I figure I might have a little bit of insight in pianos to offer here. As to steering people to our store goes. Most of the people that read these posts are not in our area and we can't sell them anything anyway. Selling a piano from PA to a person in Wisconsin would violate most of our dealer agreements anyway.
You may notice that in my post I suggested several brands that we do not carry. If I were looking to just sell her something I wouldn't have done that. As far as a worthwhile markting endeavor goes. I have had people (some that are in our area, but most often they're from outside and it's free advice) that have done a google search of groups and called or emailed me since they felt that I seemed to know what I was talking about. I'd love to find someone like that for the cell phone I got this week, as I've got a lot of questions on how to pair it with my T3 Palm to get on the Internet via bluetooth. The folks at Cingular are not much help.
Anyone you care to recommend? - Glenn Grafton Grafton Piano & Organ Co. 1-877-GRAFTON (877-472-3866) 1081 County Line Rd. Souderton PA 18964 (remove 'nospam' to reply) Glenn Grafton 23.07.04 8:55. 'Glenn Grafton' wrote in message snip There are plenty of other makes of digital pianos on the market that sound better, play better, are currently shipping models with manufacturerers support. Look at those.
The major digital piano manufacturerers are: Kawai, Technics, Yamaha & Roland There are many other lesser known and often not as good digitals from Viscount, Solton, Casio, Kurzweil, etc. I'd take a look at Technics, they're entry level models compare sound wise to many other companies higher end models. Snip Good luck! On 2004-07-21 20:22:52 -0400, 'Dave Tempo' said: Speaking of which, it's my understanding that Technics no longer makes digital pianos. Dave (no stake whatsoever in any piano or PSO sold throughout the world - thank God) That is true, Panasonic, the parent company of Technics has ceased manufacturing Technics musical instruments.
In context however Pansonic, the company remains; same ownership, same warranty. Parts, service manuals, etc. For Technics have always been handled through Panasonic, not the Digital Musical Instruments group. There are other examples similar to this; Apple discontinued manufacturing laser and inkjet printers. Sony recently announced that they were ceasing to manufacture their Palm compatible PDA's. (Panasonic btw is larger than Sony).
In all 3 of these cases the parent company is still there to offer technical assistance, honor warranty claims and provide parts. As far as parts goes, don't assume that parts availability is better with other companies. Yamaha did not have a replacement music rack for a CVP for a customer of ours that was less than 10 years old.
I sold some Technics SX-KN7000 keyboards that we had to a dealer who was a Roland dealer as well. I asked him how he felt the Rolands compared to the Technics.
He said they didn't at all. Which at first I wasn't sure what he meant. He said; 'don't get me wrong, the Rolands are good and perfectly saleable. Putting an entry level Technics SX-PC12 next to a comparable Roland however the Technics blows the Roland out of the water sound wise.'
That is why I mentioned Technics. Keyboard magazine said the same thing a few issues back, basically recommending that it's a good time to snatch one up as the pricing would probably be favorable.
Glenn Grafton Grafton Piano & Organ Co. 1-877-GRAFTON (877-472-3866) 1081 County Line Rd. Souderton PA 18964 (remove 'nospam' to reply) CoasterCrazy26 23.07.04 9:02. Hi Glenn, On July 21, you wrote. There are plenty of other makes of digital pianos on the market that sound better, play better, are currently shipping models with manufacturerers support. Look at those. The major digital piano manufacturerers are: Kawai, Technics, Yamaha & Roland.
Could you recommend any particular Roland/Yamaha/Kawai digital models that are excellent in sound quality and is priced in the range from $1500 - $2500? The main considerations are 88-key progressive hammer action, 64-note polyphony, MIDI, and a very nice looking piano cabinet. CoasterCrazy26 Dave Tempo 23.07.04 20:06. 'Glenn Grafton' wrote in message news:553650073%glenn@nospamgraftonpianocom. I sold some Technics SX-KN7000 keyboards that we had to a dealer who was a Roland dealer as well.
I asked him how he felt the Rolands compared to the Technics. He said they didn't at all. Which at first I wasn't sure what he meant.
He said; 'don't get me wrong, the Rolands are good and perfectly saleable. Putting an entry level Technics SX-PC12 next to a comparable Roland however the Technics blows the Roland out of the water sound wise.' I do remember that in the 61 - 76 note 'ensemble' keyboard market (you know - the one's that were more syth than piano) Technics kicked everyone's ass in my never humble opinion. Kinda wish I had one. DT Dave Andrews 24.07.04 8:03. Glenn Grafton wrote: Say hello to Dennis for me, Glenn.
I've read many of your posts for lo these many years. With All Due Respect, Dave Andrews D.
Andrews Associates Church Music System Specialists 'Two Hacks Working Out Of A Garage' Disclaimer: If there are two ways to take my words, always assume I was after the cheap laugh. Jonathan;o 26.07.04 9:17. In article, Jonathan;o wrote: Can you recommend a good, solid (but lightweight) soundless controller with an action similar to the Yamaha P series?
I'm tempted to go this route but wouldn't know what to buy. I need something compact, but the action is important to me, must be firm. For something like that, I'd go to a musical instrument store, as opposed to a piano shop, and try them all. Someplace like Guitar Center that has a keyboard section. They vary in price, size and weight, I think the lightest would be manufactured by Fatar. Sometimes, you'll find the best controller also has it's own internal sounds. But as long as it's got MIDI out, and they all do, you can use it to control anybody's piano module.
It won't look like furniture, but it will work, and be portable. You might want to look at stands and folding benches while you're at it. Drummer's thrones are often a good alternative to the portable benches.
Tony Jonathan;o 26.07.04 17:11. 'CoasterCrazy26' wrote in message news.
I could recommend many but, I'm not buying one and playing it. Go to a Yamaha, Roland and Kawai dealer. Play on any mid product line unit (or two) and see what you think. Talk to each sales person, leave, go home have a beer or a nap, and then call the store up and buy the one you like. You should find something nice in that price range (under $2300) esp.
In the middle of the summer doldrums. Also; a few dealers may have some left over Technics digitals that normaly would cost much more that they want to get rid of. Just make sure the dealer has a service dept. For warranty support in case ( a rarity) you develop a problem. My name is Glenn (I have no brothers) and I sell pianos.
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